Proposal to improve Liqwid: Protocol parameter updates

Yes a separate vote can be held on introduction of the loan origination fee that includes multiple option, for example:

option 1: No loan origination fee
option 2: 1% fee split 50/50 LQ stakers/DAO treasury
option 3: 1% fee split 33/33/33 lenders/LQ stakers/DAO treasury
option 4: 0.5% fee split 50/50 LQ stakers/DAO treasury
option 5: 0.5% fee split 33/33/33 lenders/LQ stakers/DAO treasury
option 6: 0.25% fee split 50/50 LQ stakers/DAO treasury
option 7: 0.25% fee split 33/33/33 lenders/LQ stakers/DAO treasury

can be any variation of split and % as well this is just an example.

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**I am unaware of the original rate. However, Aave Forum confirms that 0.0000001% has been under discussion since October 2020. The additional understanding of WHY having an origination fee is important. The Proposal to improve Liqwid protocol , and this current proposal only indicates that other protocols do it, so Liqwid should too. However with the information that this is to reduce risk is more relatable. Examples of what this additional revenue would help protect are far better than Aada, Aave, other defi, and TradFi do it.

After researching some, the internet query was not helpful, so I went to the protocol sites and searched the documents. Compound and Forks do not seem to have Fees, but pretty much everyone else does, with the average fee being 0.5%. Supporting links share more about why/how that protocol uses the fees. The more modest the fee the better. IMO.

I think the OG Fee can garner more support if we can flush out the reasoning on why we should do this. One example @Hizairi mentioned this as another reason in chat on Discord**

Protocol Name type CDP or Lending defined by DefiLama Org Fee
Yes / No
fee rate link
juststables cdp yes - stability fee 2.50% https://justorg.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360044582072-Is-there-any-handling-fee-for-borrowing-on-JUST
MakerDao CDP yes - stability fee 0.5-19.5 DAI Stablecoinā€™s Stability Fee Nears 20% After Latest MakerDAO Vote
QiDao CDP yes - stability fee 0.50% Fees - Mai Finance
aave lending yes 0.05% Flash [Signal Request] Initial Flash Mint Module Fee - Governance Signal Archive - The Maker Forum
aave lending yes 0.00% Initial Discussion 2: Origination Fees - Governance - Aave
bitstable cdp yes
bucket lending yes 0.5-5% https://docs.bucketprotocol.io/mechanisms/borrowing#borrowing-fee
goku cdp yes base + 0.5% Instant Redemption - Goku Money
indy cdp yes 2% Collateral Debt Position (CDP) - Indigo Documentation
liquidloans cdp yes 0.5-5% https://www.liquidloans.io/faq
scallop lending yes 0.10% FAQs - Scallop
benqi lending lending no FAQs for sAVAX - BENQI
buttonwood lending no
compound lending no Aave vs Compound: Which DeFi Lending Platform is Better?
lyerbank lending no https://docs.layerbank.finance/protocol/protocol-fees-revenues
tectonic lending no
buttonwood cdp maybe 1% Provide Liquidity on Uniswap - Buttonwood
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This is really incredible data analysis thank you. I will review each of these individually.

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Loan origination fee would be paid up-front. Its proceeds would be split 50%-50% between the LQ stakers and the Liqwid Treasury

After this fee is paid, the loan is opened. Over time, interests are generated, and once the loan is repaid, these interests are split as such: 80% for suppliers, 20% is the net margin (split between market reserves, DAO treasury and LQ stakers).

Hi Florian,

Hereā€™s a philosophical question for you and @DC1, should suppliers benefit from all income generated by their assets?

There are no loans, origination or interest without the suppliers.

And there would be no interest for the suppliers without the LQ holders in the first place, because no lending platform would exist without LQ holders financing it.

The answer to your question is quite simple in reality.

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Based on your own reasoning outlined above, suppliers should also receive a portion of the origination fee. However, you are advocating for the opposite. Iā€™m not suggesting that LQ stakers shouldnā€™t benefit. Additionally, you havenā€™t addressed my previous question.

@DC1 Are we at a reasonable time to move forward with Parts 1 & 2? and put a last call on debate for Part 3

I think a few more days of community input makes sense and would put us at over 2 weeks of community analysis into the proposal details. So early next week sometime to go onchain.

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Lenders/suppliers earn 80% of the interest generated and for most of year 1 on mainnet nearly all LQ market emissions have gone to lenders. LQ stakers take on real risk to secure the protocol via Safety Pool and they should be paid for this risk.

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Risk should always be rewarded, participation should always be rewarded.

Option 1 , 2 yes . Option 3 needs further discussion

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I have changed my vote to yes because I have understood the motivation behind the proposal

I recommend to vote for the deployment of the Liqwid v2 and the loan origination fee.

There I also recommend the ā€œoption 5ā€: V2 and 0.5% fee split 50/50 LQ stakers/DAO treasury.

Result 5: Deploy V2 with 50%/50% of the fee to LQ stakers, DAO treasury

Deploy V2 with 50%/50% of the fee to LQ stakers, DAO treasury


Florian Volery Delegationā€™s key : 306740d609e7574b7ea0dfe42a1aed508a4a8d7ba8a3552a94e890cf

I am committed to fostering the growth of the Liqwid ecosystem and creating value that directly benefits LQ holders.

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Hey Florian,
Iā€™m trying my best to understand the implications of this important vote. Rightly or wrongly, I do trust both you and DC have the best interest of the LQ holders in mind. Therefore I am wanting to delegate my significant stake of Lq to you for this vote. I have not delegated my Lq before, so am I correct in thinking that I just need to copy your delegation key posted above and delegate to that key on the staking page of the Liqwid App? And sign the transaction? Is that all I have to do to delegate my vote to you?

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Hello Jim,

Thank you for considering the delegation of your LQ to me.

How to delegate?:

  1. In the ā€œStaking pageā€, once you have created a stake, you can click the button ā€œDelegateā€.
  2. Click the button ā€œDelegateā€ and enter the delegation key there.

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  1. Sign the transaction, and it is delegated.

On my end, I will only see the amount of LQ being delegated to me. Then I need to select the stake and vote with it.

How to find your your delegation key?:
You can access it in the ā€œGovernanceā€ page on Liqwid app.

My delegation key is:
306740d609e7574b7ea0dfe42a1aed508a4a8d7ba8a3552a94e890cf

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Thanks Florian, Im doing my best to understand everything but for now with such an important vote, Iā€™m backing the team that built this product and trust you have everyones best interest at heart.

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